Raider R150 dc-cdi can rev as much as 13,000 rpm, but when use to other suzuki made underbone motorcycle such as shogun pro 125cc, the performance is almost identical to the shogun oem cdi. So out from curiousity, the cdi internal needs to be exposed, like the one i did to this
shogun pro 125cc CDI and to this
Kawasaki barako 150cc CDI.
Let the tear down begin
First the case must be destroyed and removed to gain way to the rubber coating of the board as shown, any type of diagonal cutter can do this job.
closer look of the cdi without and removed plastic cover case.
another close up view before manually scraping that rubber epoxy that covers the entire components of the cdi. (this will be needing a huge sign of patience)
After hours of scraping the bits of broken glass that covers the cdi together with the sticky rubber epoxy, the cdi board is almost expose.
Almost done the top layer of this cdi. If you take a closer look at the CDI board of the shogun and the barako 125, they are almost identical, parts are the same, MCU are the same using the motorola processor, uses the same High Voltage generating circuit, identical capacitor with a value of 2.0uf/400v. all of them has the Tx and Rx port for PC communication that up until now, i have not found any that will be used to communicate. What differentiate this with the other two, this cdi have a TACHOMETER out for the panel. Yes a tachometer signal out for getting the engine revs at real time. Sooner, i will draw the schematic of this cdi.
The three board side by side:
The Shogun Pro 125 has a TPS input pin whileas the Raider 150 CDI uses the same pin but in this case a tachometer out. The kawasaki barako on the other hand is not connected elsewhere.
PINOUT
Kawasaki Barako DC-CDI
1. Ignition Coil OUTPUT
2, Ground
3. Ground
4. Pulser coil INPUT
5. No connection
6. 12V B+ Input
Shogun PRO 125cc DC-CDI
1. Ignition Coil OUTPUT
2. Ground
3. Optional For HV out.. (actual have no connection)
4. Pulser coil INPUT
5. TPS INPUT (from carburetor)
6. 12V B+ INPUT
Raider 150 (gen2) DC-CDI
1. Ignition Coil OUTPUT
2. Ground
3. Ground
4. Pulser Coil INPUT
5. Tachometer OUTPUT
6. 12V B+ INPUT
Disclaimer: no copyright infrigement, the purpose of exposing this OEM CDI are for educational purposes only.
so pwding gamitin ang CDI ng barako sa Raider150 po?thanks
ReplyDeletei have not try to fit those cdi to a raider 150 machine, but the named cdi of raider and barako works well with shogun pro machine.
Deletesir pwdi pala ang cdi ng raider 150 sa shogun pro 125 ko na motor sir? paano ba ang wiring? mahina kasi arangkada ng makina sir' 5yrs. na po motor ko. 90kph nlng talaga ang takbo kahit ano gawin q. noon bagong pang bili pumapalo ng 120.. wala pa po akong in.upgrade sa makina o cdi.. stock pa po lahat. salamat sir'
DeleteSir un shogun po ba dito is for bilugan or tulisan? Pede ba sir un raider 150 2nd gen sa tulisan
ReplyDeleteShogun FD125xrm cdi is different from SHOGUN FL125. (shogun bilugan cdi ay iba sa Shogun tulisan)
ReplyDeletethey have different connector. so i assume you have to rewire your shogun wiring to accomodate the raider 150 2nd generation CDI. Be advised that i have not test it if it works. 2nd gen raider cdi do have the eco and power mode control.
sir ano po bang pinaka swack na cdi ng raider r150 para sa shogun pro 125. at paano po ba ang wiring? pwide q po ba kayo e.add sa facebook.
DeleteHey MC...do you know how we could possibly make the tachometer work again? We installed BRT Dual band and after installation, the tachometer no longer works. I followed the layout for 5 pins but the tachometer still doesn't work. Maybe you can help.
ReplyDeleteGabe Junio, there is no way your tachometer will work on BRT, they do not have a tachometer output pulse. You need to costumize circuit that will be connected on the primary side of the ignition coil.
ReplyDeleteHi Nat, thanks for your response. By any chance do you know which wire from the tachometer should I connect directly to the ignition coil?
ReplyDeleteTIA.
Sir ung sa shogun na cdi po pwede ring lagyan nag tachometer out ?instead ng tps ? Tnx po
ReplyDeleteRobin Belmonte
ReplyDeleteNOPE, it cannot be done due to MCU mismatch, raider R150 cdi have the program, shogun cdi has none. If you need a circuit for the tachometer, search this site. you'll find what you need.
Sir cdi ng newbreed pwede rin ba sa reborn 2015 year model
DeleteI had done that, the pulser Pins for raider are direct to negative and to the tacho output connected inside, I made connection on the outside, using a shorting plug for the purpose of accomodating both OEM(removed jumper) & aftermarket(RCDI, put the jumper) if without the tacho output. My raider is GEN1
DeleteIt works well I'm using it for almost 6 years.
DeleteI made A tear down one the defective(It happened when that CDI fell into the chain) OEM raider 150 CDI.
Hi ,
ReplyDeleteAnu po marerecommend nyo na racing cdi for shogun bilugan
Thanks!
Sir ? Pwede po ba yung CDI ng Barako175 sa Shogun 125R ? Please Need Feedback po . Thanks
ReplyDeletees interesante tiene página en donde lo puedo contactar
ReplyDeleteSir hindi ba masisira ang makina ng shogun 125 tulisan ko ksi pinalitan ko ng stator at socket ng cdi ng shogun 125R at pinalitan ko ng cdi ng barako 175...ok lng po ba yun sir?
ReplyDeleteSir penge nga po ng cdi wiring diagram ng shogun pro fl125
ReplyDeletesir tanong lang po sana ako kung kakabitan ko po ba ng racing cdi at faito 7400 ignition coil yung raider 150 ko hindi po ba makakasira ng makina yun?
ReplyDeletesir kung kakabitan ko po ng racing cdi at faito 7400 ignition coil ang raider 150 ko hindi po ba mkakasira sa makina yun
ReplyDeleteAko naman, nag palit ng bagong harnes, nag pinaandar ko na ayaw na gumana ng rpm meter ko, sa old ko na harnes 5 wires lang meron, sa nabili ko meron 6, pahelp po, meron daw ipag papalit na wire sa cdi ei, d ko po alam anung mga wires yun any idea po? R150 newbreed po motor ko.
ReplyDeleteNice info sir tiyaga muh magteardown ng epoxy..tnx
ReplyDeleteHello sir, what is the possible cause of my suzuki R150 2nd generation is fail to accelerate or revolution but its in a normal idling only and I already replace the carburator (racing carb 28mm and standard carburator) but still didn't work and the problem is not solve. Please help me to this problem or should I continue to clean na head enginge?
ReplyDeleteSir ung sa raider j po n cdi..no limiter po b un?
ReplyDeleteSir good evening po, motor ko ay raider new breed, papAlitan ko sana ng wire harness for raider reborn. Parehas lang ba yun???
ReplyDeleteWIRING harness of old raider, reborn and new breed may have something in common but you can try it. just leave out all connectors for the add ons on reborn with eco switch.
ReplyDeletei have a problem on my raider fu150 new breed 2010 model about the tacho &speed meter,it blink every time i turn the accelirator....
ReplyDeleteWhat is the last known modification u did to your FU150?. And please do not use unknown profile to make others help you.
Deletecan u help me about it?
ReplyDeleteMay i ask kung pwede po b yung carb ng barako 175 sa raider 150?.....thank you po sa magrereply
ReplyDeleteIt will work, but will not rev more than 10,ooo rpm. Raider CDI stock can rev up to 13,ooo rpm as shown on my test before.
DeleteWala ba limiter yung stock cdi ng new breed pagnilagay sa reborn?
ReplyDeleteAll CDI has a limiter, but the threshold are different in design with the maximum revolution of an engine can handle. If you are not familiar on your engine, then putting an ignition that can rev way past the engine can carry seems irrelevant.
DeleteBut you can try it if you want to see the effect. There is always no harm in trying, but once something failed, then there is no turning back. Good luck!
sir gusto ko sna mag plit ng cdi sa raider 150 ko model 2018 model ng cdi ng raider j meron po b kayong color diagram?
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